rodarima 5 hours ago

Maintainer here.

We are currently in the process of moving Dillo away from GitHub:

- New website (nginx): https://dillo-browser.org/

- Repositories (C, cgit): https://git.dillo-browser.org/

- Bug tracker (C, buggy): https://bug.dillo-browser.org/

They should survive HN hug.

The CI runs on git hooks and outputs the logs to the web (private for now).

All services are very simple and work without JS, so Dillo can be developed fully within Dillo itself.

During this testing period I will continue to sync the GitHub git repository, but in the future I will probably mark it as archived.

See also:

- https://fosstodon.org/@dillo/114927456382947046

- https://fosstodon.org/@dillo/115307022432139097

  • mhitza 24 minutes ago

    Haven't got the chance to play around with it, but looks fun. And maybe something cool to use to repackage into an alternative Tor/I2P browser for hidden websites.

    What's holding back CSS and HTML support (at their specific versions) and is there interest of expanding that support in full, but lacking resources?

  • puttycat 2 hours ago

    Can you say more about why you're moving away from GitHub?

    • rodarima an hour ago

      Many reasons, in no particular order:

      - It is extremely slow and resource intensive. Opening any link/page takes at least 3 seconds on my fastest computer, but the content is mostly text with images.

      - It cannot be used without JS (it used to be at least readable, now only the issue description loads). I want the bug tracker to be readable from Dillo itself. There are several CLI options but those are no better than just storing the issues as files and using my editor.

      - It forces users to create an account to interact and it doesn't interoperate with other forges. It is a walled garden owned by a for-profit corporation.

      - You need an Internet connection to use it and a good one. Loading the main page of the dillo repo requires 3 MiB of traffic (compressed) This is more than twice the size of a release of Dillo (we use a floppy disk as limit). Loading our index of all opened issues downloads 7.6 KiB (compressed).

      - Replying by email mangles the content (there is no Markdown?).

      - I cannot add (built-in) dependencies across issues.

      I'll probably write some post with more details when we finally consider the migration complete.

      • dbtc an hour ago

        I appreciate these priorities!

  • mtillman 2 hours ago

    It still has great looking icons, a proper boarder bevel, and real scroll bars. Thank you!

    • jagged-chisel 2 hours ago

      I’m imagining a comfy bevel on the bench outside your hostile where your boarders can sit happily.

      • axiolite 13 minutes ago

        > outside your hostile

        I don't imagine you'll get much business at your hostile...

        They'd probably rather go to hotels or youth hostels instead.

      • hcs an hour ago

        I'm imagining a place for boarders to stay confrontationally

  • fishgoesblub 5 hours ago

    Why cgit and not something nice like Gitea, or Forgejo?

    • Bolwin 3 hours ago

      They're like 10x more complex and you don't need most of their functionality for just a frontend.

      That said I wish there was something a little better than cgit

      • messe 2 hours ago

        Have you looked at self hosting sourcehut (https://sourcehut.org/)?

        • rodarima 2 hours ago

          Yes, but all those services have the same main problem: a single point of failure. They also don't work offline.

          I believe that storing the issues in plain text in git repositories synced across several git servers is more robust and future-proof, but time will tell.

          Having a simple storage format allows me to later on export it to any other service if I change my mind.

    • thesuitonym 4 hours ago

      My guess is gitea and forgejo don't render well in Dillo.

  • znpy 4 hours ago

    I have the fondest memories of running dillo under netbsd on my hp jornada 728, around 2008 -2009… thank you for all the work!

    • MarsIronPI 3 hours ago

      I remember installing Debian on my OLPC XO-1. Dillo and Netsurf were the only browsers that I even tried running on that thing (w. 512MB RAM). Netsurf had better compatibility, but Dillo was noticeably faster and more responsive. Truly a pleasure to use when it supported the site I was on.

    • jmclnx 3 hours ago

      And dillo still works great on NetBSD :)

      I think it is becoming more important to i386 BSD, especially since i386 OpenBSD can no longer build Firefox, Seamonkey and IIRC Chrome on i386 systems.

      I have been using dillo more and more as time goes on, plus you can get plugins for Gemini Protocol and Gopher.

      • anthk 2 hours ago

        gemini://gemi.dev with News Waffle it's a godsend to read bloated news sites, both in English and in Spanish. Also, gopher://magical.fish The register, some bloated Spanish such as Xataka and Genbeta...

  • nicoburns 4 hours ago

    Is there some kind of status tracker somewhere. That describes which web standards are supported?

    • rodarima 4 hours ago

      Not really. There was this list but it is outdated: https://dillo-browser.org/old/css_compat/index.html

      Probably the best indicator of which features are supported is to pass as many tests as possible from WPT that cover that feature.

      I did some experiments to pass some tests from WPT, but many of them require JS to perform the check (I was also reading how you do it in blitz). It would probably be the best way forward, so it indicates what is actually supported.

      • nicoburns 4 hours ago

        > but many of them require JS to perform the check

        Yeah, if we add JS support to Blitz then one of our initial targets will probably be "enough to run the WPT test runner".

        > I was also reading how you do it in blitz

        We are able to run ~20k tests (~30k subtests) from the `css` directory without JS which is IMO more than enough for it to be worthwhile.

        > Probably the best indicator of which features are supported is to pass as many tests as possible from WPT that cover that feature.

        Yes, and no. It definitely is an indicator to some extent. But in implementing floats recently I've a lot of the web suddenly renders correctly, but I'm only passing ~100 more tests!

  • mixmastamyk 5 hours ago

    Hmm, it is tiny on my highres screen. Anyone know how to double the scale?

    • O1111OOO 4 hours ago

      Check out: /etc/dillo/dillorc

      There are options here for (my setup below):

      geometry=1600x900

      increase font_factor=1.75

      bg_color=0xFAF9F6

      Start and Home pages too.

  • eikenberry 4 hours ago

    What is the bug tracking software you are using?

  • sylware 3 hours ago

    If they could move away from c++ too.... like plain and simple C like the netsurf browser?

    • anthk 2 hours ago

      DIllo is much lighter and it supports Gopher, Gemini, Info, Man and potentially in a further future, URL rewritting plugins.

nicoburns 5 hours ago

If anyone is interested in a modern take on a lightweight, embeddable web browser / browser engine (that supports features like Flexbox, CSS Grid, CSS variables, media queries, etc), then I'm building one over at https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz

Feature support matrix is here: https://blitz.is/status/css

This month I have been working on support for CSS floats (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference/P...) (not yet merged to main), which turn out to still be important for rendering much of the modern web including wikipedia, github, and (old) reddit.

EDIT: I should mention, in case anyone is interested in helping to build a browser engine, additional collaborators / contributors would very welcome!

  • bryanlarsen 5 hours ago

    Mentioning your usage of servo components might help with credibility. You're not starting from scratch.

    Edit: to be clear, I consider this a good thing. You've got a head start, are contributing to the ecosystem and aren't doing by yourself something that others have spent billions on.

    • nicoburns 3 hours ago

      Yes, we've deliberately tried to make use of existing libraries (either from other browser engines or general purpose libraries) where possible.

      The main thing we pull in from Servo (which is also shared with Firefox) is the Stylo CSS engine, which is a really fantastic piece of software (although underdocumented - a situtation I am trying to improve). I was recently able to add support for CSS transitions and animations to Blitz in ~2 days because Stylo supports most of the functionality out of the box.

      (the other smaller thing we use from servo is html5ever: the html5/xhtml parser)

      We also rely on large parts of the general Rust crate ecosystem: wgpu/vello for rendering (although we now have an abstraction and have added additional Skia and CPU backends), winit for windowing/input, reqwest/hyper/tokio for HTTP, icu4x for unicode, fontations/harfrust for low-level font operations, etc.

      And while we're building the layout engine ourselves, we're building it as two independently usable libraries: Taffy for box-level layout (development mostly driven by Blitz but used by Zed and Bevy amongst others), and Parley for text/inline-level layout (a joint effort with the Linebender open source collective).

      ---

      I wish that the Servo project of 2025 was interested in making more of their components available as independent libraries though. Almost all of the independently usable libraries were split out when it was still a Mozilla project. And efforts I have made to try and get Servo developers to collaborate on shared layout/text/font modules have been in vain.

  • leshokunin 5 hours ago

    Took me a sec to understand you didn’t mean you’re adding support for numbers with a comma :)

    • cyanmagenta 5 hours ago

      Took me a sec to understand you meant comma as “decimal point” :)

  • maxloh 5 hours ago

    What JavaScript engine are you using/planning to use? I did a quick search on GitHub and found no results.

    • nicoburns 4 hours ago

      That's a bit of an open question at the moment. The obvious choice from a Rust ecosystem perspective (easiest to integrate) would be Boa (https://boajs.dev/). It has excellent standards conformance, but terrible performance. We'd need to test to what extent that would be an issue in practice.

      Other engines on my radar: quickjs, hermes, primjs (and of course V8/JSC/SM, but they don't exactly fit with the "lightweight ethos").

      There is also the possibility of bindings with more than one engine and/or using some kind of abstraction like NAPI or JSI.

glenstein 5 hours ago

Dillo is hands down the best ultra lightweight browser ever developed in my opinion. I had a Toshiba Tecra that I got from Goodwill when I had absolutely no money whatsoever in my college days, And it was at least 15 years out of date as a laptop even when I first got it. I installed Puppy Linux on it, and I had Dillo as the browser. Its ability to bring rapid web browsing to old hardware is without equal.

I still use a modern version of it now on a Pine Tab 2 tablet, which has slow enough hardware that you want something like Dillo to make it feel snappy. I just make sure to bookmark lightweight websites that are most agreeable to Dillo's strip down versions of web pages.

It's one of the reasons I feel like Linux on the desktop in the 00s and 2010s had the superpower of making ancient hardware nearly up to par with modern hardware or at least meaningfully closing the gap.

  • ajxs 9 minutes ago

    How does it compare with NetSurf? Whenever I'm setting up Linux, I usually start with NetSurf to download the other requirements. I'll have to give Dillo a look.

simonw 3 hours ago

I noticed the original commit to Git was October 2007 - but if you look at that commit it include this Changelog https://github.com/dillo-browser/dillo/blob/93715c46a99c96d6... which has the earliest entry of:

  dillo-0.0.0.tar.gz [Dec, 1999]
Legendary project.
kolme 5 hours ago

I used to use it, like over 20 years ago! Mozilla Suite was too slow for my taste and I only reached for it if Dillo couldn't render a page :)

IIRC I stopped using it when Firefox ("Phoenix" at the time) was released.

  • jnovek 5 hours ago

    Exactly the same! I was a student and couldn’t afford a very nice laptop so it was fluxbox + dillo for me.

ghssds 40 minutes ago

If I want to know what kind of site I can make compatible with Dillo, is a list of supported elements available?

joshmarinacci 3 hours ago

I'm impressed. It runs my dev blog quite well. Some of the CSS alignment is off and it doesn't load web fonts, but it looks basically the same as Chrome. Even the syntax highlighted code snippets work.

https://joshondesign.com/2025/09/16/embedded_rust_03

  • busymom0 2 hours ago

    > it doesn't load web fonts

    Some may consider that to be a feature

gtk40 5 hours ago

Dillo works surprisingly well. I've used it on older systems running new operating systems. It does a web browser should do best: read web pages.

  • agumonkey 5 hours ago

    the lightness and lack of javascript can be very therapeutic

jll29 4 hours ago

Cool, I installed it on a Mac with M1, which gives you a glimpse how fast live could be without bloat.

Using it shows how rotten the World Wide Web has become, with mandatory JavaScript everywhere, even on google.com, which I was not aware of.

I'm very much looking forward to Ladybird's first alpha release next August.

  • throwaway2046 16 minutes ago

    > mandatory JavaScript everywhere, even on google.com

    Note: DuckDuckGo still offers a perfectly usable JS-free search engine if you visit the website from a browser with no/disabled JS support. Almost all other major search engines now require JS to function.

arjie 24 minutes ago

Wow, this is something. I recall (decades ago, so who knows how accurate) running Dillo under Enlightenment DR17 on a low-spec Pentium (perhaps) in the old era. Glad to see it's still kicking. The computer was too slow for the rest of the software of the era but Dillo was still fast!

I was very proud that I could call our home phone line and it would boot the computer if it was off. Most pointless feature ever, but I thought I was hot shit when I was a kid getting that to work.

acaloiar 4 hours ago

I may be imagining this, but I'm nearly certain I was running dillo on a PDA (I want to say Palm Treo) around 2001. I remember it feeling revolutionary to open up a webpage on something other than my linux desktop computer at the time. Over Wifi!

I hope it survives another 25 years.

gregsadetsky 5 hours ago

`brew install dillo` on Macs (and see [0] for other platforms)

and then `dillo` starts up a 1.1Mb executable that is so freaking, shockingly fast.

TIL I also learned that although the Google homepage renders beautifully, I need to "Turn on JavaScript to keep searching" [1]

Wow, Google Maps is even snarky-ish about it: "When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." (that's what appears! for real)

I mean, what was I expecting. U+1F643.

[0] https://github.com/dillo-browser/dillo/blob/master/doc/insta...

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/1i3njv0/google_begi...

  • nicoburns 5 hours ago

    Yeah, Google stopped working without JavaScript in the last year (although I believe this is a region-dependent block and may also vary by user agent string)

    • rodarima 4 hours ago

      Yeah, I tried to reach out to Google back when they introduced the JS-wall, but they seem to have an AI chatbot acting as a filter, so I didn't spent much energy.

      Later they also blocked other non-JS browsers like links or w3m, so I assume they no longer care. They used to maintain several frontends that worked in really old devices.

      I don't think there is any User-Agent that works today, however you can still use the Google index via other search indexes that can fetch Google results without JS (for example Startpage still works). However, it is probably a good idea to have more options available that have their own independent index engine (for example Mojeek). Seirdy has a very good list: https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-...

      • nicoburns 4 hours ago

        Startpage is a good recommendation! I am able to search the web using my browser with startpage. I had tried duckduckgo but have been unable to get past the captcha.

    • userbinator 4 hours ago

      Only several weeks ago was when they broke it for all UAs I could try. If anyone has figured out one that still works, please do tell.

      Incidentally, DDG still works without JS.

    • t-3 4 hours ago

      On the same machine, Google works fine in links, but fails in dillo, seamonkey, firefox without js.

    • jmclnx 3 hours ago

      Yes, I have been using

      https://lite.duckduckgo.com/lite

      for searching in Dillo. Once in a while you may get a captcha from DDG that is far better that any other captcha I have ever seen. The captcha is easy to use and can be a bit fun :)

1313ed01 6 hours ago

I installed the latest (version 1.4) FreeDOS just now and keeping half an eye on the installer as names of installed packages flashed by I noticed Dillo. Is DOS still a supported platform or is FreeDOS shipping some old version? I hope it is the former.

  • rodarima 4 hours ago

    AFAIK Georg Potthast wrote a port that worked in DOS based on the work that Benjamin Johnson for Windows. I believe it was based on 3.0p4:

    https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=10797

    Unfortunately, none of those ports made their way back to the main project. However, if there is enough interest I would be willing to merge them. I'm not very familiar with DOS/FreeDOS, so probably someone would have to help us to update the changes, but probably doable between 3.0 and 3.2.0.

  • kolme 5 hours ago

    AFAIK Dillo is GTK-based, at least the UI part, so I don't think so.

    • gtk40 5 hours ago

      Nope, it uses https://www.fltk.org/

      • 1313ed01 5 hours ago

        I just started it up and it turned out to be Dillo 3.0 from 2011. I do not know if it was using FLTK back then, but a quick search says that FLTK has been ported to DOS so that might not be an obstacle for the current developers to keep FreeDOS support if they wanted to.

synergy20 2 hours ago

last time I played with it, the memory consumption seems similar to chrome when all is loaded and running.

Figs 3 hours ago

How is the name pronounced? Is it said like the pickle (Dill-O) or with the Spanish double L (diyo) or something else?

SuperNinKenDo 5 hours ago

Was a lifesaver to me back in the day, running my frankenstein machine pieced together from useless spares I cobbled together from the computer store I worked at briefly. Every piece of software I ran was trimmed down to the absolute minimum, and it was a time before the web was completely unusuable without an ad blocker. Fond memories of Dillo.

KaiserPro 4 hours ago

Holy fuck, is Dillo still going? thats amazing work. I remember using it with compiz and that whole generation of early 64bit software.